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great. nelson mandela became one of the greatest. >> so we heard president obama talking to chris matthews about the importance with the connection with the men people. what was your take? >> i thought it was a fascinating interview. i like to hear the president when he expands on his terms on some level. but i'm going to be honest, i'm a big chris matthews fan. that was the softest voice i ever heard chris matthews speak in. you know, look, i imagine, these interviews when they are done on the other side the folks on the right want to hold the president accountable. the president made an illusion that many msnbc viewers are frustrated from the left. i would like an interview where it wasn't sitting down, letting the president say what he wants to say, but holding him accountable for the frustrations from the party who peel feels he hasn't done enough, whether it's on holding the banks account annual. things that he has the power to do. i would have liked to have seen more of that. >> let's play out a clip. you talk about how he was energized by the college audience he was in fron
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